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A Conversation With Zan Perrion: Part 1

Zan Perrion is an internationally acclaimed writer and professional speaker with a wonderful ability to inform and inspire audiences toward excellence in all aspects of life.

Over the years, his name has become synonymous with a more natural and enlightened form of interaction between men and women… the ars amorata, or “the art of love.

Zan’s early writings and concepts have heavily influenced today’s international “seduction community.” Frequently featured as a guest and presenter in many parts of the world, he has never varied from his concept of a more “natural” approach to women, dating, and life.

Zan’s seminars and events sell out immediately and have garnered impressive reviews in every city they have been held, including Montreal, Toronto, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, New York, London, Panama, Tokyo, and Cape Town.

Author Neil Strauss devoted an entire chapter to him in his New York Times bestseller The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists, calling Zan “…the undisputed heavyweight of the genre… in four years, he never once asked for advice, he only gave it.”

David DeAngelo (of Double Your Dating) has called Zan “an example of a true natural”. Mystery (of VH1’s The Pickup Artist) has proclaimed, “I want to be like Zan!”

Seattle’s Komo TV has called him “The World’s Greatest Seducer”. And in 2007, Zan played himself in the movie Let the Game Begin, starring Adam Rodriguez (of CSI: Miami), Thomas Ian Nicholas, Stephen Baldwin, Michael Madsen, and Lochlyn Munro.

Zan has also been a guest on many radio and television programs, has been featured in numerous newspaper and magazine articles, and is a regular dating advice columnist for both Bobbi and UMM magazines.

In addition, Zan is frequently invited to give lectures at colleges and universities around the world, including UC Berkeley, McGill University, and Queen’s University, among others.

His biggest fans at the end of the day, however, are not men, but women. This is because he subscribes to the notion that all women are beautiful. Every woman he has ever been connected with still consider him a beautiful part of their lives.

I’m excited to be speaking with Zan Perrion. I’ve heard a lot about you, Zan, and this should be a really interesting interview…let’s start with your background. How did you first get interested in the social dynamics between men and women, and how did you transform this interest into a business?

I’ve been involved in this for a long time, since the early days. My interest in this subject preceded the “seduction community.” I’ve always been in interested in the dynamics of men and women, and I’ve spent the last twenty years trying to discuss these types of things, to be able to better understand and describe it. I’d been doing this for a long time.

 

Then the “community” came along, and it was natural for me to carry on with this discussion, but bring it to a wider audience.

Did you feel there was a gap in the information that other coaches or “gurus” were preaching?

I never saw a gap, or tried to fill, or find, a niche. I’ve always been talking about the same type of thing—which is about being true to yourself and having the spirit of a man, one which women find attractive. I’ve never varied from my message. It’s got an audience; I’ve got quite a following of men in this world who respond to that, and my stuff is quite different from everything else that’s out there.

As we both know, a lot of the guys reading these books, and attending the seminars, are out to learn a few lines and routines that will help them get laid. What’s interesting about you is that you take a deeper approach…

My audience tends to be guys who are a little bit older than the students of most of the coaching companies out there. I don’t get a lot of the 19-year-old guys who are trying to pick up chicks, because my message is more about a more meaningful, mature type of interacting.

The first thing I tell a guy who is 45—and I’m 44, so I’m speaking from experience is that for the first time in your “older” life, I want you to stop trying to skirt around your age when you meet women. Because as soon as a man tries to avoid the question of his age with a younger woman, or make a joke about it, or deflect it in some way, it now becomes an issue with her.

Normally, the 45-year-old guy meets a 22-year-old girl, and when she asks his age, he skirts around it or makes a joke—and now in her mind, she’s thinking that he’s not secure about the fact that he’s 45. It now becomes an issue for her, because it’s an issue for you. I tell guys to “clear the air” immediately, because when you do that, and tell her your age, younger women won’t have an issue with it—because it’s obviously not an issue for you.

What do you think are the biggest misconceptions that older guys have, about their ability to attract younger women?

The main misconception guys have is that younger women would never go with them because of their age. But younger women in most parts of the world, including North America, are attracted to older men—if they have a certain way of moving through this world that denotes experience, worldliness, savvy, and adventure.

So how would start coaching the average mature man—let’s say he’s 45 years old—if he wants to start interacting successfully with sexy younger women?

Men need to understand that when you ask younger women about this—let’s say women in their early 20s—they consistently say they are not attracted to men their own age, because they seem to be more mature than those men. Older men need to emphasize the concept that they’ve accumulated a wealth of experience and knowledge about this world.

That’s a very attractive way of presenting yourself. Instead, we try to hide the fact that we’ve traveled to all kinds of places, and done all of these interesting things, the same way we try to hide our age.

We should be doing the opposite talking about the wonders that we’ve experienced to this point. That’s attractive to younger women.

It sounds like it starts with a shift in perspective…

Definitely. You can have the perspective that, “she’s younger than me, and is probably looking for someone her own age, and would never go for me because I’m older” or you can change that perspective.

The correct perspective is an amazing one: that I’ve stood on this earth and seen things that are magnificent. When we can portray that in our lifestyle, and in the way we interact with younger women, they will be absolutely absorbed.

They also love a spirit of adventure. Look at guys like Brad Pitt or Johnny Depp. These are good-looking, famous guys, but they carry themselves in that worldly way they’ve seen things, they’ve been through things. I know guys who are 50 years old and they’re magnetically attractive because they don’t apologize for who they are, their age, or where they’ve been. Click here for more information on how to date younger girls.

Nick Savoy on Dating Younger Girls: Love Systems

If you are in your 30s, 40s, 50s, or even beyond, and you want to be with hot younger women, this is for you. By this way, this is also for you if you ever date women who are different from you we’re focused on age differences here, but many of these techniques can be translated for dating across cultures, borders, language, and so on.

Far too many men think that you have to be rich, famous, or have the moves of a professionally-trained Love Systems lead instructor to date young, beautiful women.

This is a MYTH.

It comes from older women or younger men who don’t want the competition.  And it comes from some older guys themselves.  Sometimes it’s just easier to give up on your goals because they are impossible than it is to pursue them.

In other words, it can be tough knowing that there are guys who are no better than you having the time of their lives and dating young, beautiful women and not just for looks, either.

It’s not politically correct to say this, but as someone who prefers to date younger women myself, I prefer to date women who have less baggage, less cynicism, and more love of life and adventure.  Some single older women can come off jaded.

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LOVE SYSTEMS TIP #1: Don’t force yourself into her world

About a year ago, I was leading a Love Systems boot camp in New York.  Boot camps usually have 8-10 guys (and 3-5 instructors), and one of the students was a recently divorced man in his late 40s I’ll call “Brian.”

Brian didn’t want to settle for the divorcee circuit, full of endless dinner dates with women his age complaining about their ex-husbands.  He even told me about one date when the woman told him it annoyed her when her ex-husband wanted sex because “sex is for teenagers.”

Brian wanted to date young, beautiful, fun women, but had mostly given up.  He told me his Love Systems boot camp was his “last chance.”

Talk about pressure!  Anyway, we weren’t going to let him settle.  And some of his problems were obvious.  He was going to the 20-something clubs, wearing 20-something clothes, talking in slightly out-of-date TV slang.  Women avoided him.

Brian was making the classic mistake that generals and leaders have made throughout history – he was fighting on the enemy’s turf.

Brian’s competition is mostly the young, trendy guys women will see in class or in entry-level jobs every day.  And Brian was assuming that he had to beat them at their game be just as young, energetic, cool, and trendy as them.

Look at it this way.  If Bill Gates and I wanted the same woman, I’d ask him to pay me off you can be damn sure that I’d change the subject every time “computers” or “having trillions of dollars lying around” came up.  I’m not going to fight him on his turf.

The same thing goes for Brian.  The women he likes are around young, trendy guys all the time.  The road Brian was on, he would at best become a competent imitator, but always inferior to the real thing.  So, we flipped the script.

LOVE SYSTEMS TIP #2: Flip the script

We changed Brian’s basic strategy.  Instead of talking about MySpace and Tila Tequila or whatever the trend of the moment is, Brian talked about travel, art, and adventure.

Instead of letting him wear clothes too young for him, we put him in a suit.  He radiated power and confidence.  These are powerful aphrodisiacs, especially in older men.

And instead of trying to order Jaeger shots over blaring music, we took him to lounges and wine bars where his class and sophistication could show through. And where, if anything, the quality of younger women was even higher.

Now we’re fighting on HIS turf.  He’s competing based on sophistication, class, power and status.  In other words, his strengths.

It doesn’t guarantee success, of course.  There’s no point competing on a strength that women don’t care about.  And some women ONLY want a guy who fits in at raves and keg parties.  Dismiss those.

Most women want a combination of things.  So, pick a couple of your strengths and go with those.  This is all part of building an identity.

Back to Brian.  We go out two nights and have three days of seminar instruction and exercises as part of our comprehensive bootcamp every weekend.  On the second night, Brian got three phone numbers, one makeout, and had a smile on his face bigger than any he’d ever had since he was as old as the women he was now confidently approaching.

Here’s part of an email he sent me after the bootcamp:

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Savoy, I wanted to thank you guys again for all you did for me last weekend.  I truly feel like a changed man.  Jessica (the brunette from Saturday) just spent the night, and even though I have nothing planned this weekend, I’m looking forward to the possibilities more than I’ve looked forward to a weekend since high school.  I wish I’d known about Love Systems ten years ago.

Of course, flipping the script is easier said than done.  That’s why this past April’s volume of the interview series is on Dating Younger Women. It starts off with me and Kisser breaking down the SPECIFIC, actual things you have to do to “flip the script” successfully.

Like we say on the interview, flipping the script doesn’t mean that you should deliberately go out of your way not to have insight into her world.  Don’t be a “tired old man” whose interests don’t extend beyond sports, the music you listened to as a kid, and your job.

LOVE SYSTEMS TIP #3: Flip the script, again

Once you’ve flipped the script once, flip it again.  Instead of being the older guy chasing younger women, have THEM chase YOU.

This is something all guys should be able to do since it’s such a great technique.  It’s especially important for dating younger women.

You’re definitely not going to be the kind of older man whom younger women go nuts for by being “nice” and “sweet” at least at first.

Instead, be the man who has lots of options and who is currently single by CHOICE but she might “tame” you a familiar feeling for many women.

In other words, make HER show that you that she’s classy and sophisticated enough to roll with you.  That she can come UP to your level, not that you can go DOWN to hers.

It’s all part of an integrated system your personal game plan to being irresistible to the type of women you want. For more tips on how to date young women, click here.

 

Be Energetic When Dating Younger Ladies

The opposite of a boring guy is someone who projects energy, self-confidence, enthusiasm, and joy. He conveys optimism. He’s approachable, takes risks, is exciting, and is far from boring.

But we all can fall into the traps of being a boring man. None of us are perfect and a lifetime of being a BNB cannot be cured over night. It takes time. It requires consistently taking risks, checking out new places to meet women, learning about new conversational topics, and basically shaking things up a bit.

If your strategy to get a woman in bed is to bore her into horniness, you may be worse off than we thought. Boredom is the opposite of turned on, and this type of personality will definitely not get you an invite to the next cool party in your town the one where the available younger women are to be found.

Read the list below to get a sense of some of the ways you might be coming across as boring to the younger women you approach, and with the women you already know…

Boring Dudes

You watch a lot of TV, and talk about TV shows incessantly. You constantly talk about only one subject (sports, sex, movies, gossip, etc.). It’s fine to be into one or two topics, but women will start to tune out if that’s all you talk about.

You tell people how tired you are, and that you don’t feel well. You talk too much. People who talk too much get boring after a while.

You’re overly dependent on what others think of you and what you are saying. People who require validation become super predictable and boring.

You never crack a joke, a smile, or joke around. Serious people are seen as stiff and unpleasant to be around.

You tell everyone about your bad points and flaws, as if that’s a way to bond. (It’s one thing to own up to a few character flaws or playfully talk about a vulnerability of yours, such as the fact that you’re hopeless in the kitchen and so you have every take-out menu in town; it’s another thing to dwell on your weaknesses to try to get sympathy.)

You constantly tell women that you’re horny. Hey, we all get horny, but no one cares or wants to hear it. Guys who talk about being horny are usually not the ones getting laid.

You always insist on being the center of attention. People who do this come across as insecure and needy.

You always wait to be asked, and rarely do the asking.  You announce to your friends how self-sacrificing you are, and how people in your life are ungrateful and should appreciate you more.  No one wants to hang out with a martyr.

You interrupt and spoil other people’s stories because you’ve heard, thought, or said them before.  You are paranoid and suspicious of everyone’s motives.

Now, here’s how to STOP being boring…

It takes effort to shake things up, get off your couch, and try new things.

But you’ve got to make a habit of breaking out of the routines that have been sabotaging your success with women. This will make you a more dynamic and attractive person.

Otherwise, boredom becomes a vicious cycle: you feel bored, but you continue along in your same boring routine, and you wind up projecting a boring personality to women.

Step one is to take action immediately, and start taking risks. People who avoid risk at all costs are uninteresting and uninspiring.

So try some new things. Shake up your routine. Open yourself up to new experiences, and to meeting new people. When you do this, you never know what will happen. When you try new things, be it a new bar, a trip to someplace unusual, taking a class on a topic that you know nothing about, or even just going into a bookstore and checking out a topic you don’t know squat about, you open yourself up to learning something new.

You increase the number of topics you can converse with women about, and the possibility of meeting a completely new type of woman whom you’ve never interacted with before. In the process, you’ll break the pattern of being a BNB.

Other ways to take risks:

Talking about unpredictable things, sharing a risky story about your life (such a time you were arrested, or nearly arrested as long as wasn’t for something too serious!), an embarrassing experience, or a freaky dream you had, are all examples of unpredictability in a conversation.

Asking probing questions is another way to shake things up. Passive and wimpy guys never ask any pointed questions to those around them. They passively go through conversations as the “yes” man. Women hate that.

Remember, the jump between conflict and sex is much closer than the jump from boredom to sex! Risking conflict is one of the keys to avoiding the “boring” trap. In your experience, do people respect those who are strong enough to take strong positions?

Do women want to sleep with passive guys who have no opinions at all, and are just wimped out suck-ups? Or do they want the powerful, charismatic guys who present a strong face and come across as comfortable with themselves and their opinions?

Women want the strong, decisive man not the boring, complaining baby. Start taking actions today to shift your attitude and personality in the right direction. For more tips and surefire tactics on how to date young women, click here.

Why Date Younger Women?

When it comes to the older man/younger woman dating dynamic, there are very powerful motivating factors behind older men seeking out younger mates for sex and relationships, and there are equally compelling reasons why younger women go for these men.

Now here’s another fact that is going to blow the mind of feminists, who foam at the mouth when I tell them I’m not interested in any woman past the age of 30. It’s also why you should never buy into the politically correct assumption that you’re a “dirty old man” for desiring the hotties in their 20s.

Let me talk to you for a moment about the greatest motivator of them all to date younger women, and it cuts to the core of your very existence and survival…

Dating younger women will enable you to live longer.


According to a study conducted by Shripad Tuljapurkar and Cedric Puleston of Stanford University, when men mate with women who are eight or more years younger, it increases the life span of both sexes over time.

In scientific terms, once people can no longer reproduce, they cease to have a biological purpose. We’re put on this planet to procreate. Men are born to spread their seed; women are born to be inseminated and bear children. (That may sound a little crude, but it’s the truth.)

The “wall of death” age for women as evolutionary theorists so cheerfully call it is about 50, when menopause sets in.

Men, however, can reproduce into their late 70s, so long as they have good genes, and good equipment. (If not, a little friend called “Viagra” can assist in the process.)

When an older man mates with a young woman, he is essentially postponing death. He continues to have a purpose on this planet. And his long-life genes which he obviously possesses, if he’s still having sex at this age get passed on to his kids.

“Men who have children at a late age help to make natural selection work to protect human survival, because they are passing on more genes. It’s just the way we’ve evolved as humans,” Puleston says.

Here’s another compelling reason to date younger women. According to Dr. Mark Liponis, author of “UltraLongevity: The Seven-Step Program for a Younger, Healthier You,” young women can give a tremendous boost to their older partners’ immune systems.

“Being close to someone makes your immune systems very alike,” the doctor said. “And an older man’s worn-down, tired immune system will improve simply by being in contact with a younger person who is more energetic and healthier.”

These days, more divorced men are choosing to re-marry with women who are 10 or 20 years younger. This is not just beneficial to the man; women can also gain enormous benefits by marrying older men. Women are biologically programmed the same way they were 10,000 years ago, and what they desire most is security and protection.

Women Seek for A Greater Sense Of Security

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Who can offer a woman a greater sense of security: the 25-year-old slacker who’s still trying to figure out his purpose? Or the sophisticated, experienced 45-year-old gentleman who is secure in who he is, and his position in life? (I’m not just referring to financial security; older men are more emotionally secure and stable, which is more important to women than money.)

A great example of a successful older man/younger woman relationship is Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta-Jones, who married in 2000. There is a twenty-five year age difference between the two Hollywood stars. At the time of their marriage, he was 56; she was 31.

Douglas says that when they first met, he told her point-blank, “I’d like to father your children.” He’s given her two so far. (I would not recommend using this line on women, but hey, it worked for him.)

Zeta-Jones once said, “I do think I’m lucky I met Michael. Not just Michael Douglas the actor and producer with two Oscars on the shelf, but Michael Douglas the love of my life. I really do think it was meant to happen.”

In another interview, Zeta-Jones explained: “Older men come on to me all the time, and I’m really happy about that. I really like them. Older men know more about life and what’s going on. I’m probably the only person on the beach who sees a hard-bodied guy and goes, ‘Oh, put it away, will you?’ Beautiful boys are far too interested in making themselves look beautiful. They don’t want any competition. At the beach, I’m more likely to be attracted to a guy no one else notices, sitting far off, under an umbrella reading a book.”

When asked what impresses her in a man, the Welsh beauty replied, “Words impress me. If a man can speak eloquently and beautifully to me, I just melt on the floor.”

For more tips on how to date younger women, check this article by the famous Ron Louis on “How To Succeed With Women.”

Would You Rather Be Dating Younger Girls?

Dating Hot And Sexy Younger Women

I was hanging out with my buddies at the bar the other night, and they asked for my thoughts on older guys (like us) dating a younger woman. And, did I have any particular approaches or pickup lines to use with younger women?

First of all, you should know that older man dating a younger woman is a totally natural inclination. But when most men reach a certain age, they start thinking that sexy younger women are simply out of their league.

Well the good news is, not only is it possible for you to date younger women — it’s actually easier than you think. The first and most significant thing to bear in mind is that women actually prefer older men.

Over the past 200-plus years, the United States government has been recording statistics for the ages of couples getting married. Every year, the age gap between men and women who get married grows larger.

Every year, the guys get a bit older, and their spouses get a bit younger.

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dating younger womenIn fact, when guys tie the knot for the SECOND time, they marry women who are 10 years younger, on average.

Another interesting fact is that 20% of guys who marry for a second time are getting hitched to a woman that is over over two decades younger.

{A wife who is 20 years younger?? Oh no! The “Femi-Nazis” get furious when they hear this! They will declare that it’s not right! Going against nature!

Ironically, no one seems to take offense if the guy is wealthy and famous. Then he is practically expected to marry a much younger wife.

I mean, no one disapproved when Donald Trump re-married and got hitched to some gorgeous young model. A number of years later, they still seem very delighted with each other.

The actor Michael Douglas? (For quite a while now he’s been married to Catherine Zeta-Jones, the gorgeous actress. ‘Nuff said.)

I could go on and on. It’s a very long list. The fact is, it is EXPECTED for successful men to marry babes who are a significant number of years younger than they are.

So why, exactly, do older guys have such a prevailing urge to be with a younger partner? It goes a lot deeper than just wanting a hot young babe. It’s because this is what men are biologically hard-wired to want: a young, sexy, fertile babe who will bear him healthy children.

What’s more, it’s not only about sex and procreation. According to studies, it’s been revealed that a younger partner can quite literally extend a man’s life span. In a sense, her youth is “contagious” and will keep her husband active (and not just in the bedroom!)

When all’s said and done, the desire to desire to be dating younger women is a natural, healthy desire.

If you’d like to make yourself powerfully alluring to younger women, I have a tactic that I want to teach you. It is a method that I use all the time, and I’ve seduced gorgeous younger women right out from under their bad-boy 25 year old boyfriends! Click here for more

Tips For Men Who Want To Date Younger Women

How To Attract Hot Younger Women

Hey, this is seduction expert Dean Cortez. If you would prefer to be meeting and going out with sexy younger babes — and you DON’T want to date sour single mothers, angry feminists, or females who come with a lot of baggage — the significant thing to remember is that younger babes actually PREFER to be with older guys.

(By the way, you can learn exactly how to become the older guy that younger women WANT by going to our How To Date Younger Women site.)

You can certainly date hot younger women. This is the indisputable truth.Over the past 200-plus years, the United States government has been taking statistics for the ages of couples getting married. And every year, there is a wider gap between the ages of men and women who marry each other.

With every passing year, the men get a little older, and their partners get a little younger.

Here’s another interesting statistic: men who get married a second time are typically doing it with women who are around 10 years younger.

Another interesting fact is that 20% of guys who marry for a second time are getting hitched to a woman that is over 20 YEARS YOUNGER.

{A woman who is two decades younger?? The horror! The “Femi-Nazis” get angry when they hear this! They will declare that it’s not right! Perverted!

Yet, no one thinks it’s a big deal if a wealthy and/or famous guy marries a hottie who is way younger than he is.

I mean, no one objected when Donald Trump re-married and got married to some beautiful young model. A number of years later, they still seem extremely content with each other.

What about the actor Michael Douglas? (He’s married to Catherine Zeta-Jones, the beautiful actress. ‘Nuff said.)

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dating younger womenI could give you a ton of other examples. This has been the deal all throughout history. It’s only in modern times that a double-standard has emerged — that it’s fine for a successful older man to be with younger women, but it’s for some reason wrong or inappropriate for the common guy to pursue this option.

Why are older guys driven to be with younger women? Well it actually goes much deeper than him simply wanting a young babe with a firm body. It’s because this is what men are biologically hard-wired to want: a youthful, sexy, fertile babe who will bear him healthy children.

Moreover, it’s not only about sex and procreation. According to studies, it’s been demonstrated that a younger partner can quite literally increase a man’s life span. Her youth is literally contagious and will keep her husband active (and not just in the bedroom!)

The bottom line is, the desire to be dating a younger woman is a natural, healthy impulse.

If you’d like to make yourself powerfully appealing to younger women, I have a tactic that I want to explain to you. This secret trick is based on female psychology and its effects are very powerful. I would just ask you to not share these secrets with too many dudes. This technique, and many others, are found in our free seduction handbook which you can download now at the www.youngerdating.com/home website.